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What does this mean Mark "echelon"

I think I prefer it if we kept UE points and Karma points separate. I suppose if you put it in simple terms it comes down to the more work you put in the game and forum the more your rewarded. I'm pretty surprised how so many more don't think this is a good thing.

With that in mind I like the idea of different types of games for different level of manager, the level determined by the amount each manager wants to partake mixed with the detailing of the game. So for example 'game a' couple be points, 10 sides scout weekly, with all the extra's to help with 'game b' moderately challenging and then 'game c' with no points, karma points, perhaps less sides to scout and a few Moreno less privileges. This way I feel would combat managers leaving a team they have taken after a few turns as they will opt to join a game of their preference and suitability.

Only one question really; Let's say a manager didn't pull out of a deal, but instead lets say he entered the player code incorrectly causing the "confirmed" transfer to fail...would said manager lose Karma for that? Would people use things like this as a loophole?

Karma points will be similar to UE points, but gained by being active in the game and forum.

Karma can be gained by:

1) Submitting an MDS (5 Karma) - Whilst i know people forget to submit their MDS why are we rewarding someone for doing something so vital in playing the game? - I think this should be 1 point! This is here to make sure it's easy for everyone to get a regular supply of Karma, so it's still a feature for those who aren't as active in the game and on the forum

2) Completing an agreed deal with another manager (1 per player transferred) (Not by selling a player via the transfer list or two a rest of the World club) - No indication here of how many points you are offering so i would say 20, this is 100% a good one to keep on here and im sure gibbo will agree 1 Karma per player transferred. Don't want it to be too big a factor

3) Using the ‘Charity Work’ action in the actions section (1 per action slot used) - This again is a good idea, however i would like to see morale interrogated with this also, especially players with "DIS" sa having it go down cause they hated it or up because the played a trick on the players whilst away from training - I would also like to see feedback from your assistant in detail of how it went and who enjoyed it and who didn't. - Again no points indicated so i would say 10. 1 Karma per action slot used. The rewards and costs are all relative but being able to get 10 per action or a guaranteed 100 per week would mean the more expensive options like adding Att/Mid/Def would happen too often

4) Posted a message on the manager noticeboard (unique/relevant messages only) - Whilst this is a good way to get people on the forums, how is this going to be monitored? This meant entering a massage on your MDS which will go on the manager noticeboard on your report. Not for entering one post on the forum.

I can see the advantages in rewarding each post on the forum, but that is something that would take a lot of work to maintain. It might be possible have a secondary post count on each account that can start at 0 and be reset by the admin. Managers could then ‘cash out’ converting those posts into Karma. But I don’t know if this is possible with the current forum.


5) Whichever manager spends the most (or joint most) actions on 'Charity Work' gets an additional 25 Karma points. - I dont agree with this, so if you fill your actions section with charity every week and dont train no one or praise no one etc you get rewarded? Hmmm It's a possible strategy for that turn. You would forgo individual training, player interaction, using any UE points or Karma, moving players to different squads, etc

6) The running and completing, or winning, of any player run competitions on the forum will game you Karma. The amount will depend on the competition, email the office if you wish to do this. - This i 100% agree with and i would offer 100 points for running a SUCCESSFUL competition and offered at the end of the competition.

7) You can use an Action slot to bet 10 Karma on the result of a league match. The odds will be (league position*2+ 8)/20. So betting on a first place team to win would win you 5 points. Betting on a 6th placed team would win you 10 points. Betting on a 14th placed team would win you 18 points. This can be done multiple teams per week and you can bet on yourself. Any team caught picking a weakened team for a meaningful match or betting on another manager doing so, will lose Karma.
Ok this is where it gets complicated, #1 You shouldn't be able to bet on yourself, #2 the penalty for anyone going against the (fielding a weakened team etc) should be serve eg 200 lost karma (even if that puts you in minus). Something could be in place to stop you betting against yourself, but if you're confident you are going to win I don't see any harm in betting on yourself. The penalty needs reviewing, it's supposed to encourage managers to do deals on the forum rather than discourage them.


Karma can be lost by:

If a deal is arranged on a thread on the forum, and both managers write 'confirmed' on the thread, it is classed as 'agreed'. - Whilst this is a good idea, this can open a can of worms on the naming and shaming type thread that you do not agree or allow in UE. It would be done by email in private. No naming and shaming threads will be permitted on the forum.

If one manager pulls out of the deal - the manager who has been let down can report it to the office by email, if they wish to. The manager who pulled out of the deal would lose 20 karma points. If a manager fails to write a deal down or does so wrongly they will have the opportunity to do the deal in the following turn. - What happens if its attention to detail, eg the ID had 1 wrong letter cause they typed "D" instead of "F" as they are next to each other on the keyboard? You won't lose Karma for mistakes, and will have the opportunity to correct them the following turn

Deals arranged by pm or whatsapp are unaffected, unless they are confirmed on the forum. - This can be a way to avoid receiving a penalty, or if the said manager wanted to penalise the other manager for failing the deal a name and shame situation could arise from this...



Karma can be spent on:

1) Reducing an injury by 1 week (20 Karma) (only be done once per team, per week, can't be done for 1 week injuries). - Good idea

2) Regaining lost confidence (50 Karma) (can only be done one the week that a player’s confidence has gone down) - Good idea

3) Persuade a player not to retire (100 Karma) (can only be done on players under 37) - Good idea, however i dont think it should always work, maybe set the percentage to 93.33% - Meaning that 9 times out of 10 it will work, however that 1 time it might or it might not work - Also maybe you should be told on week 20 that so and so is going to retire eos allowing you to decide early on using the karma points or not, otherwise you may use longevity and the player retires. I'm not keen on it being a 9 times out of 10 thing. 100 Karma should be a reasonably large amount that you have to save up for (maybe the cost needs to be higher?) and should do what it says on the tin.

4) Give an older player longevity (200 Karma) (less likely to lose stats at the EOS) - Whats the age limit? As above No age limit

5) Give a player the Def/Mid/Att special ability (500 Karma) - Good idea

When this is implemented, all Karma spend and UE Points spent, will be done in the actions section.