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There seems to be a loop hole.
The manager of small club Montrose who is wanting to swap his POT player to big club Barcelona will just loan him instead for the duration of his transfer ban with the deal to bring Barcelona's big player for cash would just be completed immediately. Then when the transfer ban is lifted sell the POT player for cash to complete the deal they originally wanted to do.
You can bet your bottom dollar that this will happen a lot as a result to the new transfer ban.
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Wolfsburg 117 wrote: There seems to be a loop hole.
The manager of small club Montrose who is wanting to swap his POT player to big club Barcelona will just loan him instead for the duration of his transfer ban with the deal to bring Barcelona's big player for cash would just be completed immediately. Then when the transfer ban is lifted sell the POT player for cash to complete the deal they originally wanted to do.
You can bet your bottom dollar that this will happen a lot as a result to the new transfer ban. Selling potential players just for cash would be blocked.
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Admin wrote: Selling potential players just for cash would be blocked. Great, I'm glad you have installed this.
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:21 pm |
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Admin wrote: Wolfsburg 117 wrote: There seems to be a loop hole.
The manager of small club Montrose who is wanting to swap his POT player to big club Barcelona will just loan him instead for the duration of his transfer ban with the deal to bring Barcelona's big player for cash would just be completed immediately. Then when the transfer ban is lifted sell the POT player for cash to complete the deal they originally wanted to do.
You can bet your bottom dollar that this will happen a lot as a result to the new transfer ban. Selling potential players just for cash would be blocked. just put bans on all movement for potential players selling and loans
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liverpool wrote: Admin wrote: Wolfsburg 117 wrote: There seems to be a loop hole.
The manager of small club Montrose who is wanting to swap his POT player to big club Barcelona will just loan him instead for the duration of his transfer ban with the deal to bring Barcelona's big player for cash would just be completed immediately. Then when the transfer ban is lifted sell the POT player for cash to complete the deal they originally wanted to do.
You can bet your bottom dollar that this will happen a lot as a result to the new transfer ban. Selling potential players just for cash would be blocked. just put bans on all movement for potential players selling and loans some managers do look to loan out potential players, in regards to helping them progress. i've done it a few times, given a mid pot only for him to go up in rm or lm stats. a position i dont play. so could loan him out to see how he progresses. not everyone will manage youths or reserves and have a place for all there pot players to play.
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:07 pm |
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Love this idea! Supurb idea UE and especially the blocking of them being sold.
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Great idea, 13 weeks (half a season) sounds fair.
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Although, how would you show when they can be transferred?
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:39 pm |
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Something along the lines of *13 or 13 instead of a * on the player stats page.
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ronem wrote:
The incentive in an HFG is about competing equally. There should be no greater value in taking Real Madrid than Montrose. Managers chuck cash at a big side so they must have a reason. Is it because they can be central to the game, and control the market, or do they think that there is a greater chance of success at a major club?
i've argued about this for years but seldom get any support.... a HFG should be TOTALLY equal for all managers... whether they be hard up teens or pensioners or middle management 40% tax payers. the ability to bid £500 for the team of your choice does not make you a good manager. i would love to see a game set up in this way which would allow me to test myself against you and not your wallet.
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HFG are not hard because of the team you have but because of what you have to do with that team when you manage it.
you get real madrid and you have a side of world class players but have to balance clearance of your debt while keeping a title challenging side, you go for acrington stanley and your starting from scratch the challenge is to use your cash and points wisely to build a title winning team.
thats where the difficulty lies having had liverpool and blackburn in the last 2 HFG games i can safely say controlling the top team liverpool was far more challenging .
HFG are very well thought out and come season 3 are perfectly balanced as long as you have a reasonable knowledge of the game and not just chucked your starting advantage away.
i paid a lot to get liverpool but for me as a lifelong supporter i really paid out for the name not the advantage ,with blackburn i built from the bottom up and left the game having finished runner up in the prem and with 11 potential players in my squad.
with liverpool in game 117 im struggling in bottom 3 with brentford having moved to 5th in the league which shows the turn around if you do the job properly .
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liverpool wrote: HFG are not hard because of the team you have but because of what you have to do with that team when you manage it.
you get real madrid and you have a side of world class players but have to balance clearance of your debt while keeping a title challenging side, you go for acrington stanley and your starting from scratch the challenge is to use your cash and points wisely to build a title winning team.
thats where the difficulty lies having had liverpool and blackburn in the last 2 HFG games i can safely say controlling the top team liverpool was far more challenging .
HFG are very well thought out and come season 3 are perfectly balanced as long as you have a reasonable knowledge of the game and not just chucked your starting advantage away.
i paid a lot to get liverpool but for me as a lifelong supporter i really paid out for the name not the advantage ,with blackburn i built from the bottom up and left the game having finished runner up in the prem and with 11 potential players in my squad.
with liverpool in game 117 im struggling in bottom 3 with brentford having moved to 5th in the league which shows the turn around if you do the job properly . I personally think its the managers in the game that makes it hard, I mean you are up against the very best. With EFG's pretty much anyone can win a trophy providing a manager has reasonable knowledge of the game. Outside a HFG game I find there is a lot more suspect deals, mates dealing and deals where one is helping another out. Obviously if the computer allows it, its ok and its down to the managers as they pay their money but with this barely happening in a HFG makes the game harder for those managers and EFG so much easier. I heard about some deal involving Messi in a recent game which wasn't a great deal which you would never see happen in a HFG, In fact Messi went to Dortmund in a massive deal in 117. However I agree with a lot of what your saying above, after having Wolfsburg whom I considered a middle of the road side I will look to take a very small side in the next HFG followed by a huge one.
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Cheers Liverpool. I'm not much of a big wheeler dealer so I resisted the temptation to chase star players at the expense of giving away my best young pot players early in the game. As a result I spend most of season 1 at the bottom of division 1 but slowly improved over time. 5 of my current lineup were at the club when I started and have gone on to become my star players.
I'm going to be Atletico Madrid in game 119 the first time I've ever had a big team so I'm looking forward to a different type of challenge and suspect it may be even harder as you have said.
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Warthog wrote: ronem wrote:
The incentive in an HFG is about competing equally. There should be no greater value in taking Real Madrid than Montrose. Managers chuck cash at a big side so they must have a reason. Is it because they can be central to the game, and control the market, or do they think that there is a greater chance of success at a major club?
i've argued about this for years but seldom get any support.... a HFG should be TOTALLY equal for all managers... whether they be hard up teens or pensioners or middle management 40% tax payers. the ability to bid £500 for the team of your choice does not make you a good manager. i would love to see a game set up in this way which would allow me to test myself against you and not your wallet.Agreed there's a place for a level format game but not at the expense of the traditional HFG
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liverpool wrote: HFG are not hard because of the team you have but because of what you have to do with that team when you manage it.
you get real madrid and you have a side of world class players but have to balance clearance of your debt while keeping a title challenging side, you go for acrington stanley and your starting from scratch the challenge is to use your cash and points wisely to build a title winning team.
thats where the difficulty lies having had liverpool and blackburn in the last 2 HFG games i can safely say controlling the top team liverpool was far more challenging .
HFG are very well thought out and come season 3 are perfectly balanced as long as you have a reasonable knowledge of the game and not just chucked your starting advantage away.
i paid a lot to get liverpool but for me as a lifelong supporter i really paid out for the name not the advantage ,with blackburn i built from the bottom up and left the game having finished runner up in the prem and with 11 potential players in my squad.
with liverpool in game 117 im struggling in bottom 3 with brentford having moved to 5th in the league which shows the turn around if you do the job properly . This this this and this. Glad someone else can see that it's HOW the manager uses the tools at there disposal. The HFG doesn't need changing just because poor managers can't handle a debt or squander all there cash on Barcelona reserves. Those who build sensibly are rewarded. I can understand restricting POT players in this kind of game but leave the HFG game alone!
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I'm not sure I agree on blocking transfers of potential players. I used a pot player + cash deal to secure a superstar (James Rodriguez) from Real Madrid early in 117. I wouldn't have got this deal otherwise. For me it is more exciting to get my favourite players rather than someone with the same stats who I have not heard of. It's mid season 3 now and one of my other pot players has only just caught up with James stats wise.
Not everyone gets to manage the big teams so I think the system works well for HFG as it is. I've not played an EFG so maybe it's different there? A big club would have to clear their debt by selling big players for cash with nothing in return, the balance then swings massively over to smaller clubs. They have the pot players and are the only teams with no debt who can purchase superstars? Maybe the debts would have to be reduced to compensate?
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Like the idea but 13 weeks would kill deals in the game i would say 5 week would be fair
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Parkesy wrote: Like the idea but 13 weeks would kill deals in the game i would say 5 week would be fair I agree, or even 3 weeks.
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No. Definitely 13.
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Parkesy wrote: Like the idea but 13 weeks would kill deals in the game i would say 5 week would be fair dont really think potential selling will make a big difference in this game if the sides are well balanced most sides even the so called lesser ones should have players that are equal to the bigger teams so swapping can be done. also remember the big teams will need to sell some top players to get rid of debt and more importantly in this game to raise funds to bid for the legends available by scouting so teams with cash will have the ability to pick up some stars from the big boys.
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