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It would be good to see any legends at RotW teams not appear on the TL list at all. Make it purely based upon scouting

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Real Sociedad - 123
Wolves - 123
Stade Brestois - 123
Club Atletico Independiente - 124

Great idea about not showing up on TL

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Bilbao 121

Will Inman stole a trophy from me.

Completely agree. No legend should appear on the ROTW list in my opinion, we should need to hunt them down.

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BARCELONA 122

Yeah I would also agree with you guys.

1 flaw though, people sharing scouted players with other managers. Personally I've never had a problem with it, but so many think it's wrong and UE have/did have a rule upon preventing this. I'm unsure what the current standing is of this now, could you help please Ben?

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Active Teams

Game 123 (EFG) - Bayern Munich
Game 123 (EFG) - Notts County
Game 124 (HFG) - Al Nassr

I'd think given the nature of the players in question people are alot less likely to give them up to someone else. It's all very giving up some no-name guy, but someone like Pele for example, found at some random club, is not going to get given up even if the manager has no cash. He's more likely to keep stum and generate cash quickly

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Real Sociedad - 123
Wolves - 123
Stade Brestois - 123
Club Atletico Independiente - 124

I would hope that every one of us will support this initiative in principle, even if they have no wish to join the game. We are pretty fortunate to have a game controller who tries to respond to customer wishes and introduce something fresh. This is new territory for all parties so let's go with it and refine for next time.

Question One.
Any UE game is only as good as it's management uptake. A full game engenders a better feeling all round which obviously means filling more spaces than just the Glory Clubs. I am the sort of manager who takes up the smaller side. I quite fancy being Niort (a nice looking Goat on the badge). What would be in this game to commend it to me as Niort manager? Club legend Franck Azzopardi - that's right...Who? No French internationals in their history; no well known names. How will this game make a club like that attractive and allow participation in the specific manner that the game is targeted?

Question Two.
Ask any manager to name the three all-time greats and you might get a spread of five names. Will there be a pecking order in which the greats are faithfully represented? For example, I have always wanted to manage Hereford. But will it be necessary in the interest of balance to inflate 'club legends' at smaller sides? Jimmy Harvey at Hereford starting with the same stats as Lothar Matthaus, for example?

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Dinamo Tbilisi 122

I think it's great to see a new kind of game introduced and just to pick out a few highlights from reading through everything.

If the best teams are going to start no more than - £25m in debt then the smaller teams shouldn't be too far behind in terms of quality. UE points in my opinion should still be allocated but maybe the smaller sides won't need 50 to start with to bridge the gap between them and the bigger teams.

South America teams? Nice idea but this is Ultimate Europe and I guess scouting could become difficult for Ben to modify.

I don't agree with legends being added on a weekly basis but do agree there are legends that could be added at the start of each season - how long's a piece of string - and that players added in this way should be added via scouting not added to the ROTW list. The potential for adding legends is limitless. As a Charlton fan I give you legends such as Clive Mendonca or perhaps Allan Simonsen a former Charlton player and former European Player Of The Year (how many of you knew that?). My point is the list is endless.

I also agree that a bidding process should take place for managers to secure a team of there choice. After all UE is a business and this game is an excellent example of UE listening to the customers so they should also be rewarded by being able to make as much money as they can out of the game for the time, effort and maintenance required for such a game.

This leads me to an idea in regards to the bidding process. How about once teams are assigned, anyone who bid 1 season ticket and wants to start - £25m in debt yet manage a lower team, put them all into a hat and draw out one randomly selected team (from those who wish to enter the draw). That team is then inflated with higher stats to start on a par with the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona and of course start with 0 pts and - £25m in debt. This then allows one manager at least then to manage a big club where they wouldn't have otherwise been able to afford to.

One last thing how about making the game a bit retro too? What if Arsenal were playing at Highbury for example? I appreciate it would be difficult to implement by either choosing a period of time for example say 1990 and going with what all the ground names and capacities were then. I just think it would be a good retro idea to have Le Tissier playing at The Dell for example. Appreciate it's quite a bit of work but I'm sure someone could provide Ben with all the ground names and capacities from a chosen period in time?

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G123 - Toulouse
G124 - Al-Ahli

I was thinking the same thing. If it's the same teams being used in previous games, what would compel me to take Crusaders, St Johnston, Elche and Laval etc etc etc.

Take crusaders, no legends have played for the club as they never paid players until recently and their highest paid now is on about £200 a week. So if I take Crusaders, no legends, 20 million cash, no points and Barcelona being only minus 20 million. How do I compete?

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Sampdoria 123
New York RB 124

Don't go crusaders ha

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Bilbao 121

Will Inman stole a trophy from me.

I think it's up to managers to research teams and make sure the team the select has some decent legends before requesting them..there is no shortage of options.

I support Torquay and was planning to pick them in the next game but it's clear they are not the team for this format (best player we have had is Lee Sharpe!).

The concept of a legends game is build a team around the best and/or your favourite players of the past but in my opinion the ratings need to be reflective of history to make is as acuarate as possible. I'd hate it if Lee Sharpe for example was the same rating as Pele. For me the game would have no meaning.

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BARCELONA 122

Yes. I obviously am interested in Ben's current thinking about this area but also want to get us to kick it around a bit.
You can throw extra UE points and cash at these clubs but they are still missing out on the legends aspect. Martin, in his post above, suggests that clubs will start closer together and I have already asked about whether players will be elevated to 'legend' level just to create an even playing field. My problem with this is desirability. Managers want a Legends Game so that they can swap Eusebio for Beckenbauer; not so that they can do a deal with Morecambe for Jim Bentley. You'll simply create a two-tier market or a game that is not appreciably different from the norm.
How to get around this?
Haves and Have-nots. Might it be possible for some clubs without a pedigree to start the game with an appreciable amount of cash and then on Turn One, Pele, Maradona, Messi, Garrincha, etc. are all put on the T-List at high value so that all clubs can see them. The haves want but cannot afford them without selling star players. The only sides who can afford them are the small Have-nots who can then choose to guarantee a deal with the bigger sides or go all in on those South Americans.
If I was then Niort, and could secure Pele or maybe both Jarzinho and Hugo Sanchez, to bring quality to a side with UE points to use, the situation would appear rosier.

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Dinamo Tbilisi 122

I don't disagree that a manager should do his research but the game requires 224 sides to function. If there is serious interest in this game then, like in an HFG, most sides get snapped up. There are not 224 clubs with players of a sufficient standing to qualify as Legends at the level needed to fire the imagination.
Your point about Lee Sharpe is 100% spot-on and in line with my thoughts. It demeans the true greats if the need to balance the game elevates the mediocre.

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Dinamo Tbilisi 122

Hi lads, not played the game for quite some time but very intrigued by this idea!

Throwing a different look at it, how about starting a game at a particular point in history? Famous era's if you like? After particularly top class summer tournaments? Start in the 86/87 season after the World Cup where Maradona became a great? 90/91 after Gazzas tears? 96/97 after football came home? 2001/01 after French domination?

That sort of theme have all the squads reset and players ages at the particular time? It has the same nostalgic effect, and you could put potential on and nurture some superstars to the level they eventually achieved without starting with everyone being amazing? For arguments sake 96/97 we have Klinsmanns, Maldini's and Romarios at peak powers while we can still nurture the beckhams, Ronaldos and Rauls?

Anyone else see where I'm going with this or do I not make sense?!

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Strasbourg & Breidablik Game 122
Atalanta Game 123
Penarol Game 124

Fuck me you guys have sooo much time on your hands with all them ideas and how some things should be changed in game 119.

Carry on with the S.A lads

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Lazio 54 , West Ham 108 , Mainz 111 , Barcelona 112 HFG , Celta Vigo 115 , Watford 116 , Leicester City 117 HFG , Barcelona 118 , B Dortmund119 Legends , Newcastle Utd 120 , Spartak Moscow 121 HFG, FF Jaro

You make sense, but I'm not a fan of the era thing. The whole point of a legends game is to have all legends in one game. Wouldn't feel right in having a 90's legends game without people like Pele in it, it wouldn't be a legends without them in it.

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Active Teams

Game 123 (EFG) - Bayern Munich
Game 123 (EFG) - Notts County
Game 124 (HFG) - Al Nassr

Legends should be higher rated than most regular normal day players bar Messi & ronaldo. I'd like this game set up as a HFG. Ultimately up to UE.

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Bilbao 121

Will Inman stole a trophy from me.

The whole point of this is that they are trying to present a different game. If it is launched as an HFG then it is just an exercise in name changing. The big sides would get a squad full of legends and the rest would get UE points and cash.

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Dinamo Tbilisi 122

Hello everyone I think this legends game could be very interesting but some sort of balance would be needed for the the lesser sides in the leagues. Especially the league 2 teams so we could get all sides a manager

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Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line.

First Chris Haggard and now Gibby! A proper Legends game - Welcome Back, old mate!

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Dinamo Tbilisi 122

The class of 92 m8



Been thinking about returning for some time this legends game will be my return

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Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid fools who stand in line.