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Wolfsburg 117 wrote: I'm lost here. What have I missed? Nothing Wolfsburg mate, I noticed some of the lads wind you up and I joined in. FG was a nickname I had for Maxi, that's all bud. Sorry.
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mick3649 wrote: Wolfsburg 117 wrote: I'm lost here. What have I missed? Nothing Wolfsburg mate, I noticed some of the lads wind you up and I joined in. FG was a nickname I had for Maxi, that's all bud. Sorry. Oh not this again 
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Close vote but surprised for the lack of votes
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daveyh wrote: Close vote but surprised for the lack of votes I agree, I expected far more to get involved in this.
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ronem wrote: I would not like a convoluted system as described above. I have played for years. Some managers are new this week but they are as much part of UE as I am now. I would not want a two tier system which prevents new players from joining in fully.
If a 36/95 player joins my side then the net benefit is small whereas imagine the centrepiece he'd make at Ascoli or Ternana or Alaves. I know that there's a risk that the new manager might not stick around once he has bought the player but there is surely more risk of him leaving because a rule says he can't compete?
Unrestricted bidding works at EoS so it can work at all times . Maybe if this system kicked in once season 2 started it would be fairer and less convoluted. What I'm concerned about is Game 118, turn 1 season 1 when there are lots of good players available on the list and through scouting. If any manager overspent heavily on a player, he would be unswapable for 6 weeks, and the manager may regret buying him for that much. I think quite a few managers regret overspending on turn 26 from unmanaged clubs. Just to clarify, this is something that would apply to all games, not just 117. I didn't say 'Should we introduce an unlimited bidding for ROW players?' because it would have been misleading, if catchier. There will still be a max value in place.
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:17 am |
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Lots of EOS bids are a joke as managers are praying and hoping that said player gains multiple rises making the transfer one they are happy with so many are very disappointed indeed. With this you know what the player so you get what you see basically so it is the managers choice.
However one player doesn't make a team and if said manager had £200m in the bank and a first 11 that would rival any reserve team then he sees a Rashford on the list, he blows all or most of his cash to secure the signing making his team pretty pointless. Yes he can swap the player on but only will he do that then he reverts to his true value and would then struggle to get a deal to allow his team to compete and would expect more as "I paid blah blah for him"
Swings and roundabouts I guess.
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daveyh wrote: Lots of EOS bids are a joke as managers are praying and hoping that said player gains multiple rises making the transfer one they are happy with so many are very disappointed indeed. With this you know what the player so you get what you see basically so it is the managers choice.
However one player doesn't make a team and if said manager had £200m in the bank and a first 11 that would rival any reserve team then he sees a Rashford on the list, he blows all or most of his cash to secure the signing making his team pretty pointless. Yes he can swap the player on but only will he do that then he reverts to his true value and would then struggle to get a deal to allow his team to compete and would expect more as "I paid blah blah for him"
Swings and roundabouts I guess. Totally agree with this, but as you said swings in roundabouts. Mind you I feel with many manager's eos bidding they tend not to think of the future but only the present. So with this, allowing Joe bloggs to bid 150m for a player will mean that he could put himself in the shit a few turns later meaning managers will have to think of the future when making these enormous offers. I say scrap the cap and leave it to the managers and DC's discretion, more thought process will go in to it then. #ScrapTheCap
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I think its fine the way it is. I actually don't think we would be talking about this if the players on the ROW list were not going to the same teams all the time.
But fair play to the teams that can get the players Maximum spot on as its either, 1) Looking back through lots of turns and looking for players that are same age,pv,oa, Or 2) there is a calculated formula to work out the players max's to near enough the penny. I thought i had cracked G Blomqvist max by trolling back through old turns but over bid by quite a bit and my board blocked it.
I take UE's point on board for saying that any manager that overspends heavily on a player, then he would be unswapable for 6 weeks, and the manager may regret buying him for that much. But surely this is up to the individual to be cautious on how to spend the money, but it may also open up the game a bit more and we might see clubs selling better players for cash, but then again it might all come a bit silly with bidding wars on the forum,
i like the old MAX and then you know the player is secured.
As stated before why not just remove the HIGH OA PV players from the ROTW TL and keep it the same and just spread these players all over the game at different side and let peoples board be a bit more relaxed.
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Joey wrote: I think its fine the way it is. I actually don't think we would be talking about this if the players on the ROW list were not going to the same teams all the time.
But fair play to the teams that can get the players Maximum spot on as its either, 1) Looking back through lots of turns and looking for players that are same age,pv,oa, Or 2) there is a calculated formula to work out the players max's to near enough the penny. I thought i had cracked G Blomqvist max by trolling back through old turns but over bid by quite a bit and my board blocked it.
I take UE's point on board for saying that any manager that overspends heavily on a player, then he would be unswapable for 6 weeks, and the manager may regret buying him for that much. But surely this is up to the individual to be cautious on how to spend the money, but it may also open up the game a bit more and we might see clubs selling better players for cash, but then again it might all come a bit silly with bidding wars on the forum,
i like the old MAX and then you know the player is secured.
As stated before why not just remove these HIGH OA PV players from the ROTW TL and keep it the same and just spread these players all over the game at different side and let peoples board be a bit more relaxed. For Example the week before i Bid On A Hasek who ended up at Micks Leicester for £33,789,784. I bid for Hasek for £38,123,456 my board blocked it and i have DC of 83.
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I just don't agree with some managers knowing how to work out a players max?I never hardly bid for a player on the list because 99.9% I'm not going to get him because I don't know how to!lol
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Joey wrote: Joey wrote: I think its fine the way it is. I actually don't think we would be talking about this if the players on the ROW list were not going to the same teams all the time.
But fair play to the teams that can get the players Maximum spot on as its either, 1) Looking back through lots of turns and looking for players that are same age,pv,oa, Or 2) there is a calculated formula to work out the players max's to near enough the penny. I thought i had cracked G Blomqvist max by trolling back through old turns but over bid by quite a bit and my board blocked it.
I take UE's point on board for saying that any manager that overspends heavily on a player, then he would be unswapable for 6 weeks, and the manager may regret buying him for that much. But surely this is up to the individual to be cautious on how to spend the money, but it may also open up the game a bit more and we might see clubs selling better players for cash, but then again it might all come a bit silly with bidding wars on the forum,
i like the old MAX and then you know the player is secured.
As stated before why not just remove these HIGH OA PV players from the ROTW TL and keep it the same and just spread these players all over the game at different side and let peoples board be a bit more relaxed. For Example the week before i Bid On A Hasek who ended up at Micks Leicester for £33,789,784. I bid for Hasek for £38,123,456 my board blocked it and i have DC of 83. 1860 Munich -charlie wrote: I just don't agree with some managers knowing how to work out a players max?I never hardly bid for a player on the list because 99.9% I'm not going to get him because I don't know how to!lol Simple answer gents, if you vote #ScrapTheCap then you both can bid as much as you want on these players meaning you both have the same chance as everyone else to land your target.
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Wolfsburg 117 wrote: Joey wrote: Joey wrote: I think its fine the way it is. I actually don't think we would be talking about this if the players on the ROW list were not going to the same teams all the time.
But fair play to the teams that can get the players Maximum spot on as its either, 1) Looking back through lots of turns and looking for players that are same age,pv,oa, Or 2) there is a calculated formula to work out the players max's to near enough the penny. I thought i had cracked G Blomqvist max by trolling back through old turns but over bid by quite a bit and my board blocked it.
I take UE's point on board for saying that any manager that overspends heavily on a player, then he would be unswapable for 6 weeks, and the manager may regret buying him for that much. But surely this is up to the individual to be cautious on how to spend the money, but it may also open up the game a bit more and we might see clubs selling better players for cash, but then again it might all come a bit silly with bidding wars on the forum,
i like the old MAX and then you know the player is secured.
As stated before why not just remove these HIGH OA PV players from the ROTW TL and keep it the same and just spread these players all over the game at different side and let peoples board be a bit more relaxed. For Example the week before i Bid On A Hasek who ended up at Micks Leicester for £33,789,784. I bid for Hasek for £38,123,456 my board blocked it and i have DC of 83. 1860 Munich -charlie wrote: I just don't agree with some managers knowing how to work out a players max?I never hardly bid for a player on the list because 99.9% I'm not going to get him because I don't know how to!lol Simple answer gents, if you vote #ScrapTheCap then you both can bid as much as you want on these players meaning you both have the same chance as everyone else to land your target. I don't want to #scrapthecap as you are putting it. I think it might come a bit silly with bidding wars on forum for players ect. I think it's fine the way it is, I just think that club directors should allow a bit more leeway and freedom.
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1860 Munich -charlie wrote: I just don't agree with some managers knowing how to work out a players max?I never hardly bid for a player on the list because 99.9% I'm not going to get him because I don't know how to!lol Eh? You don't agree with managers knowing how to work out a player's max? Do you mean that you don't believe it can be done or are you saying that maths should be made illegal? If you go into a shop and the member of staff gives you the correct change do you get stroppy because it's unfair that they can add up? You have all the tools to be able to compete in bidding. Like me, you have one brain, a pen, a notepad and a calculator. The rest is patience and application. Must dash now as I'm getting the Olympics stopped as I don't agree with people running fast....FFS!
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Joey wrote: I don't want to #scrapthecap as you are putting it. I think it might come a bit silly with bidding wars on forum for players ect. I think it's fine the way it is, I just think that club directors should allow a bit more leeway and freedom. I don't think that it would affect deals on the forum, Joey, as Ben is specifying that this would apply only to deals through the RoTW list.
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Admin wrote: Maybe if this system kicked in once season 2 started it would be fairer and less convoluted. What I'm concerned about is Game 118, turn 1 season 1 when there are lots of good players available on the list and through scouting. If any manager overspent heavily on a player, he would be unswapable for 6 weeks, and the manager may regret buying him for that much. I think quite a few managers regret overspending on turn 26 from unmanaged clubs.
Just to clarify, this is something that would apply to all games, not just 117.
I didn't say 'Should we introduce an unlimited bidding for ROW players?' because it would have been misleading, if catchier. There will still be a max value in place. I do take your point, Ben. To me, it's about accountability. If a manager splurges cash on a player and lives to regret it then there is a lesson, albeit harsh, to be learned. I feel that there needs to be an element of, 'You made this bed, you lie in it!' I lament the dilution of responsibility. We are in a thread discussing saving those,who can't get to grips with the maths of the game ,from the wolves who can. Now we have moved on to saving the incapable from themselves! It's about budgeting and no harder than going to the pub with just a tenner in your pocket. UE is a competition. Some win and some lose. If we end up in a game where 'we are all winners' then we have no game.
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ronem wrote: 1860 Munich -charlie wrote: I just don't agree with some managers knowing how to work out a players max?I never hardly bid for a player on the list because 99.9% I'm not going to get him because I don't know how to!lol Eh? You don't agree with managers knowing how to work out a player's max? Do you mean that you don't believe it can be done or are you saying that maths should be made illegal? If you go into a shop and the member of staff gives you the correct change do you get stroppy because it's unfair that they can add up? You have all the tools to be able to compete in bidding. Like me, you have one brain, a pen, a notepad and a calculator. The rest is patience and application. Must dash now as I'm getting the Olympics stopped as I don't agree with people running fast....FFS! Pretty needless reply to be fair. He's allowed an opinion, doesn't really require the sarcasm. One of the many reasons I tend to avoid conversations like this.
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cwatson9 wrote: Pretty needless reply to be fair. He's allowed an opinion, doesn't really require the sarcasm. One of the many reasons I tend to avoid conversations like this. Yes, he's allowed his point and I am allowed to trash it, Craig. This is a mathematical game yet we have people calling for adding up to be outlawed. You explain to me how you can stop managers using statistics in a game that relies on numbers? Let's scrap transfers entirely and just get given a player of identical stats every turn by UE in order to keep it all fair.
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ronem wrote: cwatson9 wrote: Pretty needless reply to be fair. He's allowed an opinion, doesn't really require the sarcasm. One of the many reasons I tend to avoid conversations like this. Yes, he's allowed his point and I am allowed to trash it, Craig. This is a mathematical game yet we have people calling for adding up to be outlawed. You explain to me how you can stop managers using statistics in a game that relies on numbers? Let's scrap transfers entirely and just get given a player of identical stats every turn by UE in order to keep it all fair. I don't have to explain anything to you cos my point wasn't about transfers.... I couldn't really care less whether people can add up or not..... But I see people commenting that they're surprised so few people have voted, then see your snide reply at someone adding a comment. You may have disagreed with his point (wouldn't take a genius to see that) but there are more constructive ways to reply, surely??
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I began this debate because, although I benefit from the current system, I can understand the frustration of those who never get a winning bid.
It's not always easy to be constructive. Very few managers are voting constructively here - most will just vote for the option that sees them profit the most. Charlie's post was, 'I can't win so it's unfair'
Taking things to the extreme, everything is unfair. Managers dealing with mates is unfair; managers not being online when a player becomes available is unfair; bidding over by one pound and then seeing the player go elsewhere is unfair.
Yes, I got shirty but I have had years of listening to whining about me buying the best players from the list when they become available. I'm not cheating but I have been called that; I have no insider knowledge but I've been accused of being Ben and Justin's mate. It's a part of the game that I have become good at and because I'm good at it (as perhaps are others) then we should stop it and spread the love.
Earlier in this thread, I put forward opposition to excluding new managers as I want to get them involved. I am probably the most constructive manager on here. However, I am human enough to get peeved when I hear another post exhorting us to drive the Frankenstein monster from the village.
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